Myroslav Frankovytsch Marynovytsch (71) kritisierte schon während seines Studiums der Elektrotechnik in Lviv von 1967 bis 1972 die sowjetischen Zustände. 1973 wurde er zum ersten Mal verhaftet, 1977 dann zu sieben Jahren Zwangsarbeit und fünf Jahren Verbannung verurteilt, zuvor begründete er die ukrainische Helsinki-Gruppe, die sich für Menschenrechte einsetzte. Nach dem Zerfall der Sowjetunion arbeitete er am Kiewer Osteuropa-Institut und gründete 1997 das Institut für Religion an der Theologischen Akademie in Lviv, die später zur Katholischen Universität umgewandelt wurde. Seit 2007 bekleidet er den Posten des Vizerektors der Hochschule. Im Interview spricht er über die Situation der Ukraine, die Friedensbemühungen eek ywj Zmlcl fdf Pkunbnf cyane. Edx Qwkbji juemwgj Qiixtm Mmoxh ne Rwwd.
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