„Wie ein großer überdachter öffentlicher Raum“, wünscht sich Susanne Gaensheimer die Zukunft ihres Museums,„niedrigschwellig und anspruchsvoll“. Wir treffen uns auf einen Latte Macchiato im Café des K21, das um die Mittagszeit wie ausgestorben ist. Seit zehn Monaten im Amt, hat sie sich warmgelaufen und umgeschaut, in Düsseldorf für sich und ihre Familie eine Wohnung gefunden und „schon fast alle“ Künstler-Patriarchen und Künstlerinnen-Celebritäten der Düsseldorfer Kunstszene aufgesucht. Auch Reinhard Mucha. Zuletzt war sie auf Besuch bei Imi Knoebel. Katharina Sieverding und Gerhard Richter (inzwischen Köln) stehen noch auf dem Besuchsprogramm. Gaensheimer sieht sich als Teil der „Neuen Welle“, die sie ans
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