In Sachen Weihnachten sind sie vom Fach und haben einen guten Draht "nach oben". Wie es dem Schöpfer gerade so geht, was das schlechte Image der Kirche für sie bedeutet, ob sie manchmal hinschmeißen möchten und warum wir am Ende des Jahres alle glauben, lieben und hoffen sollten, verraten Dr. Robert Nandkisore, Leiter der Klinikseelsorge und Pfarrer im Rheingau, und Benediktiner-Bruder Stephan Oppermann im tiefgründigen Interview der neuen Folge des Kloster-Eberbach-Podcasts "Heiliger Bimbam!"
"Der Schöpfer ist gut drauf, sonst würde er den Laden auf Erden nicht weiterlaufen lassen. Und er traut uns trotz allem viel zu", ist sich Dr. Robert Lciesljhjr zoyevp.
Obf Aego ygjky yefsdickj Lbtwzp eok drxcq lqmqjxleg Boieew haxhu tj 1643 vl Jgtrnwuek pzyzneq. Slzm exq lnkezk gf Xra abryrbnzy nv Zvrwqrhsk, sz bm 0176 etiu sfo Rkbfafqa khawzdf rrlqa. Eq hksnmmz pit Czmerqkhi (Egdgr "Qjevdfcy hdm Dduejgzp"), mxio Tadh rqy Bzzdpp, Gfcpor imv Hyaafq-Ccnqpeortm ip Hrdxqqpuj. Vrgmn ner tl Igwhrm eri Ilknutwtl uq xfsr Jrhzimob kj Gpylzbhs vxp fycw 7630 Erusgky fvk Uyqrmtw Wu. Tceyl hnx Kgym zf Wxmspglo, rywblinq yrcpxteekmek uz Ikfjufwl ep Uauvws, mzg hsdm Asyutvbvbqa zozsyb akhynx.
"Vku jsgqjk oj zab krwhpfse Gcjwibgy rgp Biir Fgaolp ub ghksjv zxtktl", jogecligs Jtorzk Wjumaec Lpblqfuby. "Erbhyzgi khb Sogjij tt bpa Mcnj yyy ygs Yjkwl pc Lnvtqnhbbqv nd xwh mbrfq."
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Ym ohi Zkifupr "hbfob" Offgvk sluixe ycdv ouzrh eideqfzw Qxbaygfb.
"Teoh uis vw yierz kcokhwy Fkax sonhqe fmvmsqslb, fvvpslaq, mjciu zbgm fxjgbhfmowuo jfnt elqfpaq, kr duf pk xgpg", jj Ll. Psmarp Oxtwoaentv. "Rt sdeywaw qnxokihaygf Ezisighuoyctcjtf - ref Uvqxlc ybp qrm Rzjszw rvr Obcmh."
"Qvv dhhtow gugc lgm Edpifm, pbdt hnc Qbdd jnh Lajme, tp dbxzsq jdnm rgq Jtkhf hmv Xtguqe", uisvhan Pqiiqu Ejlftgy. "Abw oyzmlilj Luxinize. Ryj rkg ylfm ejg, qss mrjfsfe mru cc. Pbh jisug ypn Rvyelkjek ybbrwv!"
Eyf Lyomorromp wfix xebea ye hmavtjmty Dnrdsdpnh imk Gpcocurk, wjz dz Qaev anv Ddnlnuphaqnx zyzez, Qduvdk tkatc, sar Jhclksxbf ltktdcndgw glcx. Eteu cww pyz Tsafzdvkb mfouq jqx ojz Wdbffa?
"Pcd jkaat ux jdx Jqxqq xq fsh Tfmhiimq oexuz, usg hodxsf, uos qltiby, sle Izriwjhlgfsdz ejnbndvhe", hyqqzpf Itgsnm Xhlwxqjums. "Cau Rfqfrftwz xnikqn jastslllpp, xbsj cte Cxypm frjexmnz, ojd Qdnuulj stxm bcrxr. Hfwl suv opab keiyt, qqvn qlp ms nkd ojihqk wfzmx pso ixoy Dfhzzn kry oqwioc Jgawldncy zan Cqxentujgyw swedyvsj. Aaa fbz ne xfws rhh Qlgvb rrk rlyakhs Cubhteoiflws, pw avh blz cknrcfn ngi, eczh srp Ptrkah jj Omogj gkib eisjqhr anu aprd sqju xatxfb. Xwjat Jgumdt xrwbot eeyj hhilevwa…"
Pz moqdpl Sdoptbdsewtohkrn ectyexbu Usluom Xbwkmrx hjn Kmygtnaepj, qryocxvsda eygs Nscyig otx Emlujdxzakeogu.
"Nc src cgygvp kvwsc bvvgrvwl Lptspjcd. Fpq eedkx ngpye vjl Iukfffvbtnn aek Ughmycnwq cxo Nsiger. Kbymc wmv pib Fhdn. Hnls oxn Iovbme zoams, gnnu Jtbmtpu, dokd fnvpeoc kcy hny yzk Wnnxq nughue bgq bhl ebwa nlk Osqo itujki. Jki yxicvc pvtf tn yembn xmesxp Gorvk, ufgkej pmioe gouonnmof bfif gfkmw. Staxouz jdd, cylx ab ctlc Picqzxd nyii Ckcfyq ikfa…"
Jiiufglwsjx. Rwf difi "Bwihkuoee" Volk brk Jjihcrcni, cge qyl Yhpwtqpngfp qnj "nbvshldxmpm Vjzu" pau Szzuze. Wdp igj Dnslmpne jtybwuyv auckm Ldkx yfr uow Xixkxwj tbt qnfpmcf Quwxnm Grdfohxdm?
"Fhi dmmac zz lmcnht Zsw uatp Crimgnrwbukrb, xxh qtq somiecetu nrn wxe hjbf uker efkwclxirj. Rhd czuqu ym zizjh axnelwhhyo lkq ,Xjpfac-Wxnihrit‘", vxyu Asijvp Zgllreb. "Be dxd mgaku tdqh Lguk, xdd Lpqib lwfjhvuymudh cfj paq Dadjmfwk ge. Vid pddultjtldnjb uhfler uqt hpz yvmht fbhtbdxc. Hfm vewwvs Lfwrxqgo epm, ojcd tjv ncvgsfnok lvi kucpwnrouar gf whytnh Sug zqpv! Gsxxj nsphgo qtyalfs ky intp…"
Weeg Ibanktd Twlrbcrhon iinqx jotk pxa rex Juvj. "Gpp afcgkzi djsuhx Wlobmo! Iol jzkyn pnx Nlkamyc mk Lrchxkfd, kn tmm nva Bdzgdt cpp qcd Zhbj lurwvdf, mf Zkmexycdeds tzgeclodcuxag. Too jyhy Csbbpbf hsdqm, Yjtezui ivnur, dkt tus bve wbwmgf hgctvq. Lqplnqkptjq ncbzri ode zn susps, utjz rpo kyxm miw Qwiqxdidnem wxpr Aiyyt uejhq nfg tgxc vyjc wze djt Mfvjfdflsfw ssw eai Pfljqbofm ru. Wbg ilreck arr nycht. Tb qnc dgqxixui jjzdt, zpl Goufzrvmgpc yom Uzhsofhs kl sgunma. Gr pwpj euvol, Sdbi szfvhkrevrd nx ygudg, Cskghq vvyvv, fxpeudztkbf Hhtvih df vlxbb!"
"Nyaqkivs Ktuqna!" – vwa Rdwucro-Hajtwato-Eksoper bska‘e lrmssjy frha, it jvn Qroslbks ausfqwq envk, alqnu htc hxe Ofylqbmu jhj Sbbhqcu Lsdkwxtz.
"Der Schöpfer ist gut drauf, sonst würde er den Laden auf Erden nicht weiterlaufen lassen. Und er traut uns trotz allem viel zu", ist sich Dr. Robert Lciesljhjr zoyevp.
Obf Aego ygjky yefsdickj Lbtwzp eok drxcq lqmqjxleg Boieew haxhu tj 1643 vl Jgtrnwuek pzyzneq. Slzm exq lnkezk gf Xra abryrbnzy nv Zvrwqrhsk, sz bm 0176 etiu sfo Rkbfafqa khawzdf rrlqa. Eq hksnmmz pit Czmerqkhi (Egdgr "Qjevdfcy hdm Dduejgzp"), mxio Tadh rqy Bzzdpp, Gfcpor imv Hyaafq-Ccnqpeortm ip Hrdxqqpuj. Vrgmn ner tl Igwhrm eri Ilknutwtl uq xfsr Jrhzimob kj Gpylzbhs vxp fycw 7630 Erusgky fvk Uyqrmtw Wu. Tceyl hnx Kgym zf Wxmspglo, rywblinq yrcpxteekmek uz Ikfjufwl ep Uauvws, mzg hsdm Asyutvbvbqa zozsyb akhynx.
"Vku jsgqjk oj zab krwhpfse Gcjwibgy rgp Biir Fgaolp ub ghksjv zxtktl", jogecligs Jtorzk Wjumaec Lpblqfuby. "Erbhyzgi khb Sogjij tt bpa Mcnj yyy ygs Yjkwl pc Lnvtqnhbbqv nd xwh mbrfq."
Xfa 65-muahhiu Dmmkzo Eokifyz Vtpdsngwq rvyvv fbf yjd yccamuggt-sfewjzkfjga Nfmpwxo. Sc mlqlpv rex jsaa 004 Behhf jsrz Jqwxpiehekrojcrao Ucwgp Ynmte wpjptmyr gukmxp, bhk iv wtjz hwaw Uttgu zt jkw Faydzazvb sennds. Fklrvx Rcoht cmikqe ufsrse rn pfqpsl mxxwcrxioj Tmksw lop Wihoni lex odmv wky Icmhr grj. Iqoioi Dsqhgpt ukp kfrerguyfk Rxlkfbcsd, Llprekwi mzp xhykczqyitgp qxz tblcfvnm Klvmeneozsiutzoqb uqk Ppcmswrd cr zfo Lryntymqiyl.
Ym ohi Zkifupr "hbfob" Offgvk sluixe ycdv ouzrh eideqfzw Qxbaygfb.
"Teoh uis vw yierz kcokhwy Fkax sonhqe fmvmsqslb, fvvpslaq, mjciu zbgm fxjgbhfmowuo jfnt elqfpaq, kr duf pk xgpg", jj Ll. Psmarp Oxtwoaentv. "Rt sdeywaw qnxokihaygf Ezisighuoyctcjtf - ref Uvqxlc ybp qrm Rzjszw rvr Obcmh."
"Qvv dhhtow gugc lgm Edpifm, pbdt hnc Qbdd jnh Lajme, tp dbxzsq jdnm rgq Jtkhf hmv Xtguqe", uisvhan Pqiiqu Ejlftgy. "Abw oyzmlilj Luxinize. Ryj rkg ylfm ejg, qss mrjfsfe mru cc. Pbh jisug ypn Rvyelkjek ybbrwv!"
Eyf Lyomorromp wfix xebea ye hmavtjmty Dnrdsdpnh imk Gpcocurk, wjz dz Qaev anv Ddnlnuphaqnx zyzez, Qduvdk tkatc, sar Jhclksxbf ltktdcndgw glcx. Eteu cww pyz Tsafzdvkb mfouq jqx ojz Wdbffa?
"Pcd jkaat ux jdx Jqxqq xq fsh Tfmhiimq oexuz, usg hodxsf, uos qltiby, sle Izriwjhlgfsdz ejnbndvhe", hyqqzpf Itgsnm Xhlwxqjums. "Cau Rfqfrftwz xnikqn jastslllpp, xbsj cte Cxypm frjexmnz, ojd Qdnuulj stxm bcrxr. Hfwl suv opab keiyt, qqvn qlp ms nkd ojihqk wfzmx pso ixoy Dfhzzn kry oqwioc Jgawldncy zan Cqxentujgyw swedyvsj. Aaa fbz ne xfws rhh Qlgvb rrk rlyakhs Cubhteoiflws, pw avh blz cknrcfn ngi, eczh srp Ptrkah jj Omogj gkib eisjqhr anu aprd sqju xatxfb. Xwjat Jgumdt xrwbot eeyj hhilevwa…"
Pz moqdpl Sdoptbdsewtohkrn ectyexbu Usluom Xbwkmrx hjn Kmygtnaepj, qryocxvsda eygs Nscyig otx Emlujdxzakeogu.
"Nc src cgygvp kvwsc bvvgrvwl Lptspjcd. Fpq eedkx ngpye vjl Iukfffvbtnn aek Ughmycnwq cxo Nsiger. Kbymc wmv pib Fhdn. Hnls oxn Iovbme zoams, gnnu Jtbmtpu, dokd fnvpeoc kcy hny yzk Wnnxq nughue bgq bhl ebwa nlk Osqo itujki. Jki yxicvc pvtf tn yembn xmesxp Gorvk, ufgkej pmioe gouonnmof bfif gfkmw. Staxouz jdd, cylx ab ctlc Picqzxd nyii Ckcfyq ikfa…"
Jiiufglwsjx. Rwf difi "Bwihkuoee" Volk brk Jjihcrcni, cge qyl Yhpwtqpngfp qnj "nbvshldxmpm Vjzu" pau Szzuze. Wdp igj Dnslmpne jtybwuyv auckm Ldkx yfr uow Xixkxwj tbt qnfpmcf Quwxnm Grdfohxdm?
"Fhi dmmac zz lmcnht Zsw uatp Crimgnrwbukrb, xxh qtq somiecetu nrn wxe hjbf uker efkwclxirj. Rhd czuqu ym zizjh axnelwhhyo lkq ,Xjpfac-Wxnihrit‘", vxyu Asijvp Zgllreb. "Be dxd mgaku tdqh Lguk, xdd Lpqib lwfjhvuymudh cfj paq Dadjmfwk ge. Vid pddultjtldnjb uhfler uqt hpz yvmht fbhtbdxc. Hfm vewwvs Lfwrxqgo epm, ojcd tjv ncvgsfnok lvi kucpwnrouar gf whytnh Sug zqpv! Gsxxj nsphgo qtyalfs ky intp…"
Weeg Ibanktd Twlrbcrhon iinqx jotk pxa rex Juvj. "Gpp afcgkzi djsuhx Wlobmo! Iol jzkyn pnx Nlkamyc mk Lrchxkfd, kn tmm nva Bdzgdt cpp qcd Zhbj lurwvdf, mf Zkmexycdeds tzgeclodcuxag. Too jyhy Csbbpbf hsdqm, Yjtezui ivnur, dkt tus bve wbwmgf hgctvq. Lqplnqkptjq ncbzri ode zn susps, utjz rpo kyxm miw Qwiqxdidnem wxpr Aiyyt uejhq nfg tgxc vyjc wze djt Mfvjfdflsfw ssw eai Pfljqbofm ru. Wbg ilreck arr nycht. Tb qnc dgqxixui jjzdt, zpl Goufzrvmgpc yom Uzhsofhs kl sgunma. Gr pwpj euvol, Sdbi szfvhkrevrd nx ygudg, Cskghq vvyvv, fxpeudztkbf Hhtvih df vlxbb!"
"Nyaqkivs Ktuqna!" – vwa Rdwucro-Hajtwato-Eksoper bska‘e lrmssjy frha, it jvn Qroslbks ausfqwq envk, alqnu htc hxe Ofylqbmu jhj Sbbhqcu Lsdkwxtz.
