Adolfo Pérez Esquivel ist als Mann der klaren Worte bekannt. Für seinen Kampf gegen die Militärdiktatur in Argentinien bekam er 1980 den Friedensnobelpreis verliehen. Bis heute kämpft er für die Einhaltung der Menschenrechte. Dieses Jahr feiert der ehemalige Professor für Architektur, Malerei und Bildhauerei seinen 80. Geburtstag. Adveniat-Mitarbeiterin Carolin Kronenburg sprach in Buenos Aires mit Pérez Esquivel über seinen unbeirrten Einsatz für Gerechtigkeit.
Herr Pérez Esquivel, Sie haben während der Diktatur in Argentinien für die Menschenrechte gekämpft. Wie stellt sich die Situation heute dar? Haben Sie die Waffen niedergelegt?
Das ist eine gute Frage. Die Menschenrechte muss man in Verbindung
Herr Pérez Esquivel, Sie haben während der Diktatur in Argentinien für die Menschenrechte gekämpft. Wie stellt sich die Situation heute dar? Haben Sie die Waffen niedergelegt?
Das ist eine gute Frage. Die Menschenrechte muss man in Verbindung
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