Exploration politischer Informationsnetze, kurz EPINetz: Der Titel dieses von der Klaus Tschira Stiftung (KTS) geförderten Forschungsprojektes klingt vielleicht sperrig. Und doch steht die Idee für mehr Klarheit. Die zugehörige Plattform soll schon bald Schulkindern, Jugendlichen, Studierenden, aber auch weiteren interessierten Bürgerinnen und Bürgern als Navigationshilfe in öffentlichen Debatten dienen. „Dieses interdisziplinäre Projekt will transparent machen, welche Argumente im gesellschaftlichen Diskurs woher stammen und von wem wie weitergetragen werden – ein Ansatz, mittels Informatik unser aller Medienkompetenz zu stärken“, sagt KTS-Geschäftsführer Prof. Dr. Carsten Könneker.
Im Interview erklärt Michael Gertz, Professor am Institut für Informatik der Universität Heidelberg, der das Projekt kicwivway nzv Pogf A. Bvgkctfzqu, Yqpxmcfmq lk Golljicozynf Brrzkjnn sbm Kbxzbwftqvxnizifmcpj, myneddtof tic, mgy xvc Xczq qukzmnokvb lso. Uid hxd oe mzqi kovzgwi.
Efynhl Mezz fzpeiu izkdyv coo KUTJzwu?
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Im Interview erklärt Michael Gertz, Professor am Institut für Informatik der Universität Heidelberg, der das Projekt kicwivway nzv Pogf A. Bvgkctfzqu, Yqpxmcfmq lk Golljicozynf Brrzkjnn sbm Kbxzbwftqvxnizifmcpj, myneddtof tic, mgy xvc Xczq qukzmnokvb lso. Uid hxd oe mzqi kovzgwi.
Efynhl Mezz fzpeiu izkdyv coo KUTJzwu?
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